This is the second article in a series. Read the first article: The 5 Levels of Listening: Are You Quietly Damaging Your Relationships?
In my last post, we looked at the ugly truth about Level 1 and Level 2 listening and how the habit of just waiting for your turn to speak is quietly eroding trust in your relationships.
If you tried the 3-Second Pause challenge, you probably realized just how much effort it takes to stop your brain from hijacking a conversation. It’s a real workout for your attention span!
But once you successfully clear those first two hurdles, where do you actually want your brain to land?
According to Jonathan Smith and Derek Gaunt in Fight Less, Win More, the “sweet spot” for your day-to-day, low-stakes interactions consists of Level 3 and Level 4 listening. This is where communication transitions from a transactional exchange of data to actual, meaningful understanding.
Let’s look at how these two levels operate in the real world:
The Step Beyond “Hearing”
Most professionals pride themselves on being rational, fact-driven individuals. Because of that, we tend to view listening as a purely intellectual exercise. We think if we can track the data, we’ve won.
But there’s a massive gap between the facts being spoken and the real story being told.
Level 3: Listening for Internal Logic
At this stage, you are actively trying to map out your counterpart’s train of thought. You’re diagnosing their argument, asking yourself: What is their point here? How did they get from Point A to Point B? This is solid, active listening.
Level 4: Listening for Emotions Attached to Logic
This is where the magic happens. Here, you take it a step further. You aren’t just listening to their argument; you’re trying to decipher the emotions driving their thinking. You are listening for the underlying tone, the pacing, and the unspoken stress or excitement beneath the words.
Here is the catch that many leaders miss: Human beings are not logical creatures who occasionally feel. We are emotional creatures who use logic to justify how we already feel.
If you only listen to the facts (Level 3), you’re only getting half the script. To truly influence outcomes and build deep alignment, you have to tune into the emotional undercurrent (Level 4).

The Tool: How to “Label” the Emotion
Shifting your focus to Level 4 listening doesn’t require a degree in psychology. It just requires a simple, incredibly elegant tool from the Chris Voss methodology called Labeling.
The next time a colleague, client, or family member is explaining a problem to you, resist the urge to immediately propose a logical solution. Instead, listen for the emotion behind their words and hold up a mirror to it using a neutral, observational statement.
Try starting your sentences with phrases like:
- “It sounds like you’re feeling a bit frustrated with how this project rolled out.”
- “It seems like there’s a lot of pressure on you to get this right.”
- “It looks like you’re worried about how the team will react.”
Notice the specific wording here. Avoid saying, “I know you’re stressed.” (People naturally get defensive when you claim to know their mind). By saying “It sounds like…” or “It seems like…”, you are safely offering an observation.
When you label an emotion accurately, the dynamic in the room changes instantly. The other person feels deeply seen, their shoulders drop, and they will usually respond with, “Exactly!”
That phrase “Exactly” is your green light. It means you’ve unlocked the real issue, and you can now move forward together toward a real solution.
Put It Into Practice
True communication isn’t about proving you have the best logic; it’s about making the other person feel heard enough to collaborate with you.
During your meetings today, challenge yourself to look past the spreadsheets and the bullet points. Try spotting and labeling just one emotion. I’d love to hear how it goes. Do you tend to stay safely in the comfort zone of Level 3 logic, or do you naturally lean into Level 4 emotions?
Remember, Suffering is Optional, Progress is Powerful.
If you are struggling with any of the things I have written about I offer help in 3 ways:
- One-on-one executive coaching or high potential group coaching
- Team coaching through the Team Purpose to Performance™ process
- Speaking at your next conference or facilitating your next offsite to bring this Self-Lead-Meant™ content alive







